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		<title>Comment on Was it a &#8216;fit-up&#8217;? by Gunnar</title>
		<link>http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/05/21/bernard-porter/was-it-a-fit-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6729</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 14:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a point of reference, and perhaps precendence: William Joyce (&quot;Lord Haw-Haw&quot;) was hanged for treason in Wandsworth prison in January 1946 despite being an Irish/US citizen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a point of reference, and perhaps precendence: William Joyce (&#8220;Lord Haw-Haw&#8221;) was hanged for treason in Wandsworth prison in January 1946 despite being an Irish/US citizen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We all need legal aid by Rikkeh</title>
		<link>http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/05/22/joanna-biggs/we-all-need-legal-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-6728</link>
		<dc:creator>Rikkeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The circularity of lawyers talking about the issue is a huge image probem. 

At the moment the campaign comes across as being spearheaded by legal aid lawyers. Given that I&#039;m a lawyer myself, I imagine that everyone who isn&#039;t must notice that even more.

As is pointed out above far more eloquently that I ever could do myself, the need for legal aid for access to justice is very real, as is the need for it to be of an appropriate quality.

Right now though, this is drowned out by the &quot;greedy lawyer&quot; counterargument. As part of this, inevitably, the two or three millionaire legal aid lawyers at the very top of their fields (who&#039;d earn multiples of what they do if they worked in another area I&#039;m sure) are pointed at as being typical of the thousands of other. 

Answering this charge by saying that most legal aid lawyers earn less than primary school teachers won&#039;t exactly endear you to the primary school teachers you&#039;ve impliedly devalued, nor anyone who earns even less than they do. I&#039;ve heard this argument reiterated in many forms by legal aid lawyers, it&#039;s not just here. Given that such people are the main beneficiaries of legal aid (as they would not be able to afford the right representation at all without it, even with major sacrifices), this is a serious misstep.

This might be the reason why these cuts are being ignored in much of the mainstream press. Perhaps if we heard more from those who&#039;ve benefitted from the current system (say, the falsely accused or those who would otherwise have lost access to their children) and less from the lawyers who receive legal aid funding, this might change. If lawyers want to help the campaign, they should be mentioning it to their legal aid clients and (at the risk of being harsh) talking a little less themselves.

Hopefully that will help underscore the real issue: legal aid isn&#039;t for lawyers, it&#039;s for the clients who need them and (unless you&#039;re a millionaire) you&#039;ve got a higher chance than you might think of becoming one of those clients some day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The circularity of lawyers talking about the issue is a huge image probem. </p>
<p>At the moment the campaign comes across as being spearheaded by legal aid lawyers. Given that I&#8217;m a lawyer myself, I imagine that everyone who isn&#8217;t must notice that even more.</p>
<p>As is pointed out above far more eloquently that I ever could do myself, the need for legal aid for access to justice is very real, as is the need for it to be of an appropriate quality.</p>
<p>Right now though, this is drowned out by the &#8220;greedy lawyer&#8221; counterargument. As part of this, inevitably, the two or three millionaire legal aid lawyers at the very top of their fields (who&#8217;d earn multiples of what they do if they worked in another area I&#8217;m sure) are pointed at as being typical of the thousands of other. </p>
<p>Answering this charge by saying that most legal aid lawyers earn less than primary school teachers won&#8217;t exactly endear you to the primary school teachers you&#8217;ve impliedly devalued, nor anyone who earns even less than they do. I&#8217;ve heard this argument reiterated in many forms by legal aid lawyers, it&#8217;s not just here. Given that such people are the main beneficiaries of legal aid (as they would not be able to afford the right representation at all without it, even with major sacrifices), this is a serious misstep.</p>
<p>This might be the reason why these cuts are being ignored in much of the mainstream press. Perhaps if we heard more from those who&#8217;ve benefitted from the current system (say, the falsely accused or those who would otherwise have lost access to their children) and less from the lawyers who receive legal aid funding, this might change. If lawyers want to help the campaign, they should be mentioning it to their legal aid clients and (at the risk of being harsh) talking a little less themselves.</p>
<p>Hopefully that will help underscore the real issue: legal aid isn&#8217;t for lawyers, it&#8217;s for the clients who need them and (unless you&#8217;re a millionaire) you&#8217;ve got a higher chance than you might think of becoming one of those clients some day.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Was it a &#8216;fit-up&#8217;? by Harry Stopes</title>
		<link>http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/05/21/bernard-porter/was-it-a-fit-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6727</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Stopes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 10:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Commentators in the US have referred to Assange explicitly as a &#039;traitor&#039;, seemingly unaware that he isn&#039;t American or perhaps assuming that everyone in the world owes loyalty to that country. I can&#039;t remember the details but can find them if anyone is interested. But I agree that Porter&#039;s phrasing is clumsy in that it doesn&#039;t convey the ambiguities of Assange&#039;s relationship - or alleged relationship - to that notion of loyalty and treason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commentators in the US have referred to Assange explicitly as a &#8216;traitor&#8217;, seemingly unaware that he isn&#8217;t American or perhaps assuming that everyone in the world owes loyalty to that country. I can&#8217;t remember the details but can find them if anyone is interested. But I agree that Porter&#8217;s phrasing is clumsy in that it doesn&#8217;t convey the ambiguities of Assange&#8217;s relationship &#8211; or alleged relationship &#8211; to that notion of loyalty and treason.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Was it a &#8216;fit-up&#8217;? by alynch</title>
		<link>http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/05/21/bernard-porter/was-it-a-fit-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6726</link>
		<dc:creator>alynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, America treats &quot;traitors&quot; - like Bradley Manning - appallingly.  And in Australia PM Gillard has notoriously already pronounced him guilty of crimes in publishing US government data, and her Attorney General has gone further.  So, if you are in a &quot;Coalition of the Willing&quot;, then I think Mr Porter&#039;s point stands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, America treats &#8220;traitors&#8221; &#8211; like Bradley Manning &#8211; appallingly.  And in Australia PM Gillard has notoriously already pronounced him guilty of crimes in publishing US government data, and her Attorney General has gone further.  So, if you are in a &#8220;Coalition of the Willing&#8221;, then I think Mr Porter&#8217;s point stands.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Was it a &#8216;fit-up&#8217;? by Eric Auerbach</title>
		<link>http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/05/21/bernard-porter/was-it-a-fit-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6725</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Auerbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 02:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julian Assange is Australian, not American, which makes the comment about Americans&#039; harsh treatment of &quot;traitors&quot; puzzling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian Assange is Australian, not American, which makes the comment about Americans&#8217; harsh treatment of &#8220;traitors&#8221; puzzling.</p>
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